CPE - Weekend Open thread
Posted by: SuperFrenchie in Life in France, seen from across the pond
So Chirac has made his decision. The trial period for the CPE will be one year instead of two, and employers will be required to offer a reason for the dismissal, without being prevented from firing.
Meanwhile, the students, the labor unions and the opposition parties have said they will continue to demand that the law be scraped entirely. They have called for next Tuesday strikes to go ahead.
Did Chirac do the right thing by compromising a bit without sacrificing the essence of the law? Did he give up too much? Not enough?
And where are we going at this point? Is the crisis going to ease, or are we about to get into a much deeper one?
Tell us how you feel!
Note: Thanks to Tcheni and O_In_MTL for the nice picture of Marianne protesting the CPE (I think that’s what she’s doing…) Here is another one (just to double-check…)
Update 4/1/06: An interesting take on young would-be Mariannes and the press in Libe’s blog.


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April 1st, 2006 at 12:41 am
I watched tonight’s re-broadcast from Paris and listened to Chirac, then the responses from the Left and Socialists. Although I’m not really qualified to have an impression, (not being French) my impression was that Chirac made a good, reasonable attempt to get out of this situation. But the critics really nailed him!
So I suppose the real test will come Tuesday when we see how the students react. They will also have had a couple days to mull over Chirac’s comments, rather than to immediately react in front of TV cameras.
More puzzling to me was Sarkozy’s support which was shown after everyone else bashed Chirac.
April 1st, 2006 at 1:35 am
Horreur! c’est un mec!
April 1st, 2006 at 1:56 am
And just after Chirac, Sarko said how wise is our president.
Two things are sure now : the following days will be harder for the people who just want to work, eat and sleep (have the americans an equivament to “métro-boulot-dodo”?), and we will probably have a president from the Parti Socialiste in 2007.
I don’t believe in God, but I may probably go to pray in the first chruch I see if I want to have a train to Paris next week-end …
April 1st, 2006 at 2:11 am
j’ai comme l’impression que le gvt est en train de se mettre à dos toute une partie de la population jeune, et pour répondre à la question, est-ce que la crise va empirer, je pense que oui.
j’ai personnellement tjrs été pour le cpe car je suis content lorsqu’on prend des initiatives, le chomage doit être combattu et je ne comprends pas pourquoi tout le monde ne trouve pas du travail, mais c’est vrai qu’il faut bien reconnaitre que le gvt a très mal abordé cette crise, a dans un premier temps sous estimé l’opinion populaire, et dans un deuxième temps l’a snobée ! Difficile de se “rabibocher” après, d’autant plus que les jeunes ont tjrs peur pour leur avenir, et qu’en même temps ils sont contents de faire grève (la plupart ne savent d’ailleurs pas pourquoi il font grève - mais c’est un autre débat)
bref, la france aime bien la grève, les jeunes s’expriment à travers de la grève (je sais c’est triste, ils feraient mieux de s’exprimer plus dans la création) et le gvt est bien loin des préocupations du peuple (comme souvent d’ailleurs). Enfin, je rajouterai qu’à titre personnel j’ai été très déçu des récentes prestations de de villepin, qui m’avait vraiment impressionné avant le début du conflit irakien mais qui maintenant se révèle être un type hautain, sûr d elui et finalement très très loin du peuple.
voila, nous sommes entrés dans une belle crise, j’espère qu’on en sortira rapidement !
putain de grève de merde quand même (dsl)
bon weekend à tous !
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M
April 1st, 2006 at 2:21 am
Do you know “The Babe Theory”, by the conservative satirist P.J. O’Rourke (in his Parliament of Whores)? “Beautiful women are always on the cutting edge of social trends. Remember how many beautiful women were in the anti-war movement twenty years ago? In the yoga classes fifteen years ago? At the discos ten years ago? On Wall Street five years ago? Where the beautiful women are is where the country is headed”.
If he is right, Chirac is in trouble.
But can we really trust Rourke? The guy is also a ugly french basher (”The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don’t know”).
April 1st, 2006 at 3:02 am
M* N° 4
//Enfin, je rajouterai qu’à titre personnel j’ai été très déçu des récentes prestations de de villepin, qui m’avait vraiment impressionné avant le début du conflit irakien mais qui maintenant se révèle être un type hautain, sûr d elui et finalement très très loin du peuple.//
I’m surprised it took you so long to discover that!
And you thought his Iraq “prestation” was sincere. Go figure!
April 1st, 2006 at 3:11 am
Even though the unions and students are furious about it, I think this is going to ease the public opinion who has only heard protesters complain about the two points Chirac has adjusted.
April 1st, 2006 at 3:22 am
April 1st, 2006 at 4:06 am
Jathenais #3: I think when we say “eat-work-sleep” it’s the same mentality, though it doesn’t rhyme.
The impression I had after watching a couple of interviews after Chirac spoke, particularly Bruno (who’s name I’ve forgotten, the head of the student union), who said that they are waiting for the CPE to be repealed and nothing less will do, is that all will be at a stalemate now. If his immediate reaction has anything to do with it, I have the feeling that the strikes will continue. I also can’t see the government caving in and repealing it. I’m very interested to see where this is going to go…. as long as I don’t have problems getting to CDG to come home for a visit on the 12th!!
April 1st, 2006 at 4:21 am
C’est beau, on dirait un billet de 100 francs…
April 1st, 2006 at 4:51 am
don’t worry vivi, the strike will be over by June 12th ! ;=)
(in June students are on holidays and workers prepare their summer holidays - they are too busy!)
bon maintenant si tu voulais dire le 12 avril…alors là tu es dans la mer** ^^
il ne te reste plus qu’à demander à SF de te faire des bumper stickers :
NO STRIKE IN CDG…PLEASE
April 1st, 2006 at 6:31 am
The “bras d’honneur” of President Chirac.
Foreign press talk about President Chirac’s compromise. But M. Chirac’s yesterday performance was not a compromise, if was a clown performance !
Chirac said : “I sign a law, but I admitt this is a bad law. So I ask everybody not to use this law until it is modified.”
WTF ? President Chirac has the constitutional power of asking the parliamant to modify a law instead of signing it, if he thinks this law must be modified.
But he did not use this power, just because Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin no not want it. The President had the choice : to please Dominique de Villepin or to do his duty. Jacques Chirac chose Dominique de Villepin.
Chirac said : “The unions leaders and students representatives are invited to negociate the modifications the CPE, but I announce what the modifications will be.”
Why shall we discuss the modification of the law, if Jacques Chirac already announced them ? Where are the discussion and the negociations ?
Chirac gave nothing but promise. The French know the value of Chirac’s promise : “Les promesses n’engagent que ceux qui y croient”
April 1st, 2006 at 6:32 am
Update 4/1/06: Besides his “babe theory” (#5), P.R. has an interesting take on young would-be Mariannes and the press in Libe’s blog.
April 1st, 2006 at 6:55 am
Vivi, sure they will have a break between the 7th and the 12th, just for us !
And thanks, i didn’t know if a special expression exists.
So, i have to find a god to pray, and a bike for my son, no time to strike here !
April 1st, 2006 at 6:57 am
*M* si si c’est le 12 avril, perhaps I’d better start for Paris today!!
April 1st, 2006 at 7:59 am
LoL ! rocket
April 1st, 2006 at 9:17 am
I have to say that Chirac is quite a savy politician .
With his speech yesterday he managed to disapoint his(supposedly) majority by scraping the two things that made the CPE a sort of breakthrough in labor law ; ie. the 2 years testing period and the firing of employee without giving any reason .
He also managed to infuriate even more the people protesting who have received the speech as pure “provocation” .
so the law goes through BUT a new law will be passed to ,in fact, scrap the 2 elements of the previous law.
absolutely brillant !
ps: I think that the problem of french politics is that the right is not really the right ;just like the left promises a lot before the election and fail to deliver .
( Chirac is more a rad-soc than anything ;just like Mitterrand never was a socialist)
April 1st, 2006 at 9:41 am
rocket (2): Qui ca, Chirac? I knew that :-D!
April 1st, 2006 at 9:52 am
Ok, this is not CPE related, but take a look at this: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,,1744580,00.html
Rice should’ve known better. When brits say “don’t mention the war” they have a reason for that. Us Germans know that best of all :lol:.
April 1st, 2006 at 9:57 am
Bandini (17): “( Chirac is more a rad-soc than anything ;just like Mitterrand never was a socialist)”
Not surprising. The man started out as a communist, believe it or not (cf. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Chirac )
April 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pm
Very funny the new image about Jeanne d’Arc.
Is it la France under a second revolution?
April 3rd, 2006 at 4:49 am
Two weeks too late, and never enough, that’s Jacques Chirac for you.
Completely unrelated, we’re publishing Jack Chirac’s diaries this week on our blog here: http://www.paris-link.com/blogs/ - it really is nothing to do with Jacques, honestly.
Second revolution? How many have they already had?
April 3rd, 2006 at 10:47 am
Fleur,
Jeanne d’Arc?!
Hell no, it’s a Marianne! 1789’s french revolution icon.
And, no, I dunno if France’s under a second revolution or not. What’s sure is France have a crisis. One rampant since years if not decades.
April 3rd, 2006 at 3:45 pm
Responding to this comment by Alrikan in the Americans and History thread:
http://superfrenchie.com/?p=655#comment-26213
//Not everybody everywhere wants or can be an entrepreneur willing to bust his/her ass 60+ hours a week with no life outside of work.//
It’s not a matter of everybody wanting to be an entrepreneur, it’s a matter of somebody (anybody, but not everybody) willing to do it and being allowed to do it without 1. Too much burden from the state and 2. Being ostracized from their own society.
Nobody is forcing anybody to be an entrepreneur in the US. But those who want to be can easily be. In France, it’s a bit more of a problem, in large part because it’s hard to make hiring mistakes.
April 4th, 2006 at 10:26 am
I see this CPE thing as l’arbre qui cache la foret, if the govt. manages to ram it through it will then push on with more reform to weaken the social net and institutionalize precarity. Not to say that some reform isn’t needed but I don’t trust these politicians as they are just doing the bidding of the corporate and investors class dragging us along in this race to the bottom.
I know many on this blog, especially among the French expats have espoused the neo-liberal creed worshiping at the free market altar, or they wouldn’t be here. Having personally more le cul entre deux chaises I don’t think the US model is workable in France.
And these endless comparisons between the US and France are getting to be tedious IMO, except to justify a good dose of self-flagellation.
The US will always be 14 times bigger than France, its economy more dynamic, its people more numerous and optimistic, its reach much broader, along with more extremes of wealth and poverty as well as 50 millions uninsured.
So may be the French are doing us all a favor by dragging their feet in this global race to the bottom. Not everybody everywhere wants or can be an entrepreneur willing to bust his/her ass 60+ hours a week with no life outside of work.
April 4th, 2006 at 12:12 pm
My niece informs us that she has scarcely had school (she’s in lycee) since the protesting began. At least 2 weeks. This is madness! Where is the solution?
April 4th, 2006 at 3:52 pm
Duhh! I am aware that nobody forces anybody to be an entrepreneur in the US. This was a rather clumsy figure of speech on my part to illustrate the fundamental difference between here and there.
My point is that senseless deregulation and blind trust in trickle-down economics is a natural here in the craddle of capitalism, where only a great depression on the magnitude of the 1930’s could generate more interventionist policies.
In France as you know it’s not only the young or the employees who are more risk-adverse than their American counterparts, but everybody from top to bottom cling to their acquis sociaux or corporatists (secu. allocs. etc) Here on the other hand they have a lot less to loose (that’s freedom right? :))but Americans still got cold feet when W tried to mess with social security and if I remember right, only the editorial pages of the WSJ berated them for being so worried about the “beautiful” invisible hand of the market.
So SF, you give us your take on life in Montgomery County from an upper middle class entrepreneur perspective and that’s great. And I trust that you are an enlighted employer, but in my more blue collar Appalachian experience they are the exception, so that’s why we need some rules in this game. Regrettably
not everyone can work for SF.
So again I will end a post le cul entre deux chaises: plus de laissez-faire en France, more regulations in the US.
April 4th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Duhh! I am aware that nobody forces anybody to be an entrepreneur in the US.
Oooops. #27 is in response to SF #24
April 4th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
Alrikan (#27): //So again I will end a post le cul entre deux chaises: plus de laissez-faire en France, more regulations in the US.//
I’m pretty much with you on that
April 4th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
aaaaahhh. I am getting more and more nervous about this strike. I am going back to France at the end of the month and I seriously hope it will be over by then… I am being so selfish right now, but how can you expect an economy to be vibrant and competitive when the whole country strikes for over a month every year?!
April 6th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
not everybody in America sees the unrest in France as pinko lazy asses screaming for hand-out.
see Barbara Ehrenreich article here:http://tinyurl.com/r5zxq
April 6th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Alrikan,
This link doesn’t work and when I googled her name I just found her book.
April 6th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
31, 32. Alrikan & EYGH:
Is this the link you want?
Coincidentally, I was just reading another Ehrenreich blog entry here (on US employment, nothing about the CPE).
April 6th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
32, 33.
Thanks Iwp, yes “Kleenex workers” is the article I posted.
April 6th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Thanks Lwp.
Interesting point of vue but probably totaly “minoritaire” in the US.
April 7th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Not sure anyone’s going to read this, but I just have to get an answer to a question. I was about to attempt to convince some bloggers over at Riche’s site that 9/11 was indeed perpetrated by al Qaeda, and not Dick Cheney. Then I thought, “No, this isn’t more than a few a-holes who don’t get out of mom’s basement enough to have a good sense of reality. And nothing you say will convince them of the truth.”
So, is my instinct correct, or is this conspiracy theory a popular view in France??? Not many bloggers there seem to want to disabuse the paranoid schizos of their crazy notions, but that could be b/c it’s not a very popular blog anymore.
April 7th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
greg: never heard of that particular theory, and I don’t live in France right now, so I can’t say whether it’s popular there. But I do think they should sell the film rights
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April 8th, 2006 at 8:08 am
salus
April 8th, 2006 at 8:36 am
GREG (#36) The conspiracy theory certainly is not popular in France. To the point it isn’t even talked of. Totally off the radar screen in fact. A maniac (you know who he is but I don’t want to even write his name) published a book some months after the attacks, launching the conspiracy theory and very unfortunately was invited on the TV set of Ardisson (who I consider as a mere whore). Totally discredited now. The guys you were answering at Riché are nuts. En bons français: Des petits cons! Don’t waste your time with them…
April 9th, 2006 at 4:49 pm
35. EYGH. It is true that Barbara Ehrenreich has a viewpoint somewhat “fringe” compared to the American center. Still, a year or two ago, her book Nickled and Dimed was the most requested at the public library in my town, so I don’t think she can be discounted as “totally minoritaire”.
More “minoritaire” (American) views on employment and precariousness can be found in my current reading, The Disposable American (Louis Uchitelle).
36. Greg. I did see some arguing against 9/11 conspiracy theories a year or so ago on Riché’s blog, but it probably gets tiresome trying to disagree with people who quote/link voltairenet
April 11th, 2006 at 3:14 am
[...] In other news girls in France (or a girl) have been loosening their necklines in solidarity with Delacroix’s Marianne (via boingboing) to protest a labor law called the CPE that would have allowed employers to fire certain kinds of workers before the age of 26. Of course this seems a bad thing, until you hear it’s like impossible to get a decent job in France after college, and the unemployment is like 22% among the young. It kind of seems like the students are shooting themselves in the foot with this one, but then from my vantage in this country, I’m pretty used to having almost no job security. [...]
April 15th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
This is what a very weak gov’t does, it surrenders the necessary steps that has to be taken just because there are few riots and every lazy fucker student dont approve of it.